The Thermostatic Hypothesis

Willis Eschenbach and Roy Spencer appear to be having a bit of a battle over whether or not the type of citizen science that Willis undertakes has any real merit. Roy doesn’t seem to think that what Willis does has much merit and, I have to say, that I’m kind of with Roy here. Roy Spencer appears to be partly accusing Willis of plagiarism, or – at least – of not acknowledging that some of what he’s suggesting has been done before. In, particular, he’s having a go at Willis over Willis’s Thermostatic Hypothesis. Now, I’ve – in the past – mocked Willis about this and suggested that he was essentially appealing to magic. I had not appreciated that there really was such a hypothesis. Apparently it was first suggested by Ramanathan & Collins in 1991 and Roy seems upset (possibly justifiably so) that Willis does not acknowledge this.

Now, I’ve only just encountered this so, maybe, my understanding is wrong. Given that, as far as I understand it, the basic idea is that evaporation of water requires energy, the resulting water vapour can then be transported via convection into the troposphere, where it condenses and releases this energy. Now, when I first read about this I thought “surely this can’t have any effect”, but I think it can (but not a significant one, I think). Let me see if I can explain why.

To be in equilibrium, the Earth must lose as much energy back into space as it gains from the Sun. The Earth reflects about 30% of the incoming solar radiation. If one then calculates what the temperature would need to be so as to balance the energy received, you get something like -18oC. This is clearly much lower than the actual average temperature of the Earth. This is because the Earth has an atmosphere that contains greenhouse gases. These act to stop some of the outgoing long-wavelength radiation from escaping, causing the surface to heat up until the amount of energy being lost matches that being absorbed. I believe that the total greenhouse forcing is calculated to be something like 150 Wm-2. If you solve the following equation (with To = 255 K and σ the Stefan-Boltzmann constant)
you get that Teq = 288 K, which is about right.

So, anyway, the basic picture is that greenhouse gases trap outgoing long-wavelength radiation, causing the surface temperature to be higher than it would be in the absence of an atmosphere. As we continue to add more greenhouse gases (CO2) this will then cause the surface temperature to rise even further. There are additional forcings and feedbacks that tend to result in the equilibrium surface temperature actually being higher than it would be due to rises in CO2 alone.

I believe that the whole point of the thermostatic hypothesis is that the greenhouse gases can only operate on outgoing radiation. So, if there is another way in which to transport energy, then that will reduce the equilibrium surface temperature because energy transported by the other mechanism is not influenced by the atmospheric greenhouse gases. Basically, water evaporates at the surface (which requires energy) and is then transported into the troposphere – via convection – where the energy is released when the water vapour condenses. This means that this energy has been transported without being influenced by the greenhouse gases.

So, in a sense, I find this quite interesting simply because I didn’t know that it actually existed as a hypothesis. There are, however, I suspect a number of issues with this as an actual regulation mechanism. One is simply that it depends on temperature and becomes more effective as surface temperatures rise. Therefore it could act to reduce some of the greenhouse warming but can’t remove it all or else it would stop operating (or would be operating at the same level as it was before the greenhouse gas concentrations increased). The other is that, I believe, it mainly operates over the tropics where the temperatures are high enough for it to play a role, so it can’t operate effectively everywhere.

The biggest issue, however, with this as a regulation mechanism is explained in a comment on an earlier post by Tom Curtis and is illustrated in the figure below. As also explained in Stephens (2005) : [h]ere [the clear sky flux] is broadly a measure of the greenhouse effect of clouds; the highest, coldest clouds that occur with tropical deep convective systems over the warmest sea surface temperatures (SSTs) induce the largest greenhouse effect.

The cloud longwave forcing  as a function of sea surface temperature (Stephens 2005)

The cloud longwave forcing as a function of sea surface temperature (Stephens 2005)

So, as far as I can tell, even though convection can directly transport energy to the troposphere, it also acts to increase the greenhouse forcings by increasing the amount of water vapour and clouds in the regions where it operates most effectively. Essentially, I’m kind of impressed that Willis’s hypothesis (which isn’t really his to be clear) actually exists, but it does seem that it doesn’t really operate how he thinks it does and, if anything, ultimately acts to enhance greenhouse forcings, rather than acting to regulate surface temperatures. As usual, if I’ve made a mistake or misunderstood something (which is quite possible given how quickly I wrote this) feel free to point it out in the comments.

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9 Responses to The Thermostatic Hypothesis

  1. dbostrom says:

    Interesting that this relates to something in discussion here the other day: more energy in the atmosphere (well, ocean-air system, really) possibly leading to more rapid transport of stuff hither and thither on the globe. More weather in less time.

    But as somebody reminded us, “things are more complicated than they seem.”

  2. I highly recommend Chris Colose’ SkS posting on the same topic (better known as tropical thermostat);

  3. BBD says:

    And once more, we have to… wonder at paleoclimate behaviour.

  4. Something I was going to put in the post, but forgot, was about the tropospheric hot spot. It seems that some argue that AGW must be wrong because we haven’t observed a tropospheric hot spot. However, as I understand it, the hot spot is meant to be a consequence of condensation of water vapour and so you would also expect one from thermostatic regulation. It seem ironic that someone who might argue that the lack of a hot spot invalidates AGW would then propose a mechanism that would also produce a hot spot and, hence, by the same argument should also be regarded as invalidated.

  5. Thanks, that is very good. Clearly much more complicated than I indicate here (not that surprising) and Chris also explains the issues much better than I have.

  6. Indeed, and Chris Colose’s post linked to above seems to address some of this.

  7. idunno says:

    The thermostasis of the Earth is central to James Lovelock’s Gaia hypothesis…

    Perhaps WUWT could pay LOWER TAXES!!!! and protect itself against further criticism by registering as a new religion.

  8. Poptech says:

    You may find this interesting,

    Who is Willis Eschenbach?

    As of 2012 Mr. Eschenbach has been employed as a House Carpenter.

    He is not a “computer modeler”, he is not an “engineer” and he is certainly not a “scientist” (despite all ridiculous claims to the contrary).

    “A final question, one asked on Judith Curry’s blog a year ago by a real scientist, Willis Eschenbach…”

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